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#200
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Delegati smo bili s strani predsednika ICCF pozvani, da se na nacionalnem nivoju opredelimo do stališča glede spremembe pogojev pridruženega članstva mednarodnih dopisnih klubov v ICCF.

Povod je bilo pismo nemškega delegata dr. Fritza Baumbacha, ki nasprotuje da se nemški dopisni klub DESC sprejme v ICCF kot pridružen član.

ICCF namerava spremeniti dikcijo v pravilniku tako, da se klub smatra kot mednarodni, če je vsaj 20% članstva iz druge države.

O tem bomo na kongresu tudi glasovali.

Pismo dr. Baumbacha je zelo zanimivo tudi zato, ker nam lepo opisuje stanje dopisnega šaha v vodilni svetovni sili Nemčiji. Vsekakor koristno branje.
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#201
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Pismo dr. Baumbacha

To all national delegates of ICCF
Berlin, August 12, 2010
Dear national Delegates, dear chessfriends,
the ICCF Executive board wants to change the statutes to allow the German E-Mail Chess
Club (DESC) to become a member of ICCF. According to the revised statutes an
organization shall be considered as international, if at least 20 % of its members do not
belong to the same country.
For the German Correspondence Chess organization (BdF) it would be an unbearable
situation if all of a sudden a second German Federation would become an ICCF member.
The DESC is not an international organization, but –as the name says- a German chess
club. Please note that all of the DESC officials are Germans and some delegates are not
even ready to communicate in another language than German and so on … . At the moment
the part of non-German members is well under 20%. To gain the required quota of 20% the
DESC is now courting foreign chessfriends, who are already members of National
Federations in most cases - which means your federations. Courting new members is easy
for the DESC administration: As a DESC member you do not have any duties and you do not
have to pay for anything – not even a membership fee. As a consequence the DESC will
never be able to organize a Congress or an invitation tournament because of the lack of
contributions and fees.
According to a register of membership round about 300 of the DESC members are also
members of the BdF. Even the representative of the DESC who will join the ICCF Congress
is a member of the BdF. Imagine the chaos trying to organize international competitions:
Players might participate in an international tournament as a BdF member and in another
one as a DESC member. Who will be able to overlook this concerning the bills for the
national accounts? How will the quota of participants of the different federations be
guaranteed and so on ?
The DESC will not be forced to have an income, because it has obviously no expense.
Unlike the BdF, the DESC has never spent one cent for making our sport popular. I would
like to remind you that the BdF was the only correspondence chess organisation with its own
information desk at the Chess Olympiad in Dresden in 2008. During this event we had
printed and distributed ICCF flyers for you.
Commerzbank Uelzen
Kto.-Nr. 5646500
BLZ 25840048
Postgiroamt Hamburg
Kto.-Nr. 64006204
BLZ 20010020
Internet
www.bdf-fernschachbund.de
Sitz und Gerichtsstand:
Hamburg
These and all the other costs were paid by the BdF. Alan Borwell will certainly remember
that, because he visited our desk several times, and shook hands with the German World
Champions and winners of the Olympiads and watched them signing autographs.
Moreover I would like to remind you of the ICCF Congress in Dresden. The BdF had to pay
an amount of 23.000,-- Euro from the fees of our members for the ICCF!
Recently we have started several activities to promote correspondence chess. Amongst
others we launched a countrywide painting competition for children with the support of the
Ministries of Education of the different German states. This competition made children and
their parents join the game of chess and come to know the BdF. Nearly 250 children have
sent their own paintings, which you can find on our website. These activities always need a
lot of work and money. For the BdF the focus has always been the future of correspondence
chess in the long run and not the success for the short term because of being cheaper than
others.
This is also the reason why we spent 55.000,-- Euro for buying our own server - and not to
peeve the ICCF. We had to go this way because using the ICCF server would have
increased the fees for our national tournaments very much, which would have meant to lose
even more members.
In Germany there is a completely different situation than in any other country. In Germany
there is not only the BdF and DESC, but 8 private server providers which are highly
interested in the discussions taking place in the ICCF Congress, because their quota of
foreign members is already more than 20%.
If the DESC became a member of the ICCF you would have to face the application
documents of lots of other clubs as well, which love to become a member. Some of them
already belong to the BdF, others do not.
If you allow the DESC to join in and keep the others away trials against ICCF are probable:
The CAS and the top of the FIDE will focus on the ICCF even more than now. Apart from that
it would be an unbearable situation for us if the DESC joins in. If the ICCF made up its mind
to destroy its roots, which are the national federations, it would have already left the ideas of
von Massow. Our own members would have to decide whether they still want to be part of a
commercialised organization, which only consists of a group of clubs and communities.
We can not accept this! Therefore BdF kindly asks you not to vote in favour of the
modification endorsement of the ICCF statutes and not to approve the membership
application of DESC.
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#202
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Pismo predsednika ICCF Erica Rucha:

Dear Delegates:
You have probably received a letter from the BdF about the proposed changes of the
paragraph 2.9.1 of the Statutes.
It is clear from that letter that the purposes of the proposed changes have not been clearly
understood and I would like to take this opportunity to better explain the reason of the
proposal.
First of all, the idea of having an international correspondence chess club affiliated to ICCF is
not new and dates back to 2006 in Dresden where the current Statutes have been adopted by
Congress. The current wording is the following:
2.9.1 ICCF can arrange for affiliation agreements with other international
correspondence chess clubs worldwide. Every affiliation agreement and its terms,
rights and duties must be approved by the Congress. An international correspondence
chess club is defined as a club with a formal structure, constitution and collective
administration.
Unfortunately this wording does not define precisely enough what is the difference between a
national and an international club, in other words how many players not belonging to a same
country are necessary to consider a club international?
Some are considering that as soon as the club has members from different countries
regardless their number, it is an international club.
This question has been discussed in the President’s Council and in the Executive Board, and a
majority of members, including myself, were in the opinion that a minimum of players not
belonging to a same country are absolutely necessary to be considered as international, in
order to protect the Member Federation to be challenged by another national organization.
That is the sense of the proposed wording and the lower limit of 20% of players not belonging
to the same country:
2.9.1 ICCF can arrange for affiliation agreements with other international
correspondence chess clubs worldwide. Every affiliation agreement and its terms,
rights and duties must be approved by the Congress. An international correspondence
chess club is defined as a club having at least 20% of players who don't belong to one
and the same country, with a formal structure, constitution and collective
administration.
It is my strong feeling that we need to clarify the definition so that every international CC
organization knows exactly the conditions they have to fulfill to become affiliated to ICCF.
I hope that the purpose of the changes is now easier to understand and that the subject can be
discussed by each Member Federation before voting in Congress.
Amici Sumus
Eric Ruch
ICCF President.
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#203
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Moram priznati, da točno ne razumem, kaj je tukaj sploh problem. ICCF je združba držav, vsaj doslej. Zdaj pa bi nek klub rad postal član ICCF. Prvo vprašanje, ki se mi poraja, je, kaj bi s tem ta klub pridobil? Biti član ICCF namreč samo po sebi ne prinaša nobene posebne koristi.

Morda bi se radi nekateri znebili drage letne članarine, ki jo očitno zaračunava BDF, glede na glomazne cifre, ki jih trošijo.
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#204
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Ne gre za polnopravno članstvo (kot ga imamo države članice) ampak za pridruženo. Lansko leto smo npr. sprejeli v članstvo mednarodni klub SchemingMind.

Po mojem tako članstvo prinese koristi predvsem klubu v smislu promocije, kar ne vem, če je ravno v interesu držav članic.

Ampak pravilo je bilo sprejeto, če se ne motim leta 2006 na kongresu v Dresdnu in pač sedaj obstaja.
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#280
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Sklep zbora SLO CORR 2010:

Slovenija glasuje za predlog dopolnitve pravilnika o potrebnih 20% članov kluba iz drugih držav, da se klub lahko prizna kot mednarodni.
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